Frasier wrote: ↑February 2nd, 2020, 5:33 am
There is no cure for Demise. You can't leave
Are you back? :O
Occasionally wandering around
Re: What options are available?
Posted: February 3rd, 2020, 3:42 pm
by Calvin
royal kapero2 wrote: ↑February 1st, 2020, 10:18 pm
...especially the most intensive part of the game - Felucca.
imo, they need to stop listening to the vocal minority and catering to you guys.
i think this is what has damaged the server so much, whether it was creating items to balance the pvp scene, or banning the chinese because pvpers were complaining, or devaluing all the pvm drops because you complain they're too boring to get, or taking up all the GM's time with silly tournaments of <10 people...
i think the problem is keeping it OSI styled, and i think they can get around it by keeping the main game intact and unchanged, but creating a new landmass. we have talented GMs on here, we should unleash them and let them create stuff.
Re: What options are available?
Posted: February 3rd, 2020, 3:50 pm
by Calvin
vocal minorities piss me off..
“We can't win against obsession. They care, we don't. They win.”
― Douglas Adams, Life, the Universe and Everything
but it's the same reason films on rotten tomatoes get <10% critic score, and >90% audience score, or vice versa. it's the same reason hillary was 99% chance to win on the 2016 election night, or brexit was never going to happen. it's the same reason films are now full of woke trash and diversity instead of storyline.
dont bend to the will of loud mouth nutters (including me tbh), have your own vision and see it through, you guys are pretty good judges of stuff tbh.
Re: What options are available?
Posted: February 5th, 2020, 7:02 am
by Calvin
Re: What options are available?
Posted: February 7th, 2020, 2:13 pm
by Dwn Wth Vwls
Simple additions would drastically improve Demise:
1) Scale harsher AFK gathering ramifications with loot/bod system ROI
2) Add automated content (mini games) that don’t reward anything useful in game other than aesthetics (sandals/hues/candles/statues/titles/cloth - basically anything Calvin drools over)
Those are the top two imo.
Re: What options are available?
Posted: February 8th, 2020, 1:35 am
by kentares
Calvin wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2020, 3:42 pm
imo, they need to stop listening to the vocal minority and catering to you guys.
i think this is what has damaged the server so much...
“We can't win against obsession. They care, we don't. They win.”
― Douglas Adams, Life, the Universe and Everything
but it's the same reason films on rotten tomatoes get <10% critic score, and >90% audience score, or vice versa. it's the same reason hillary was 99% chance to win on the 2016 election night, or brexit was never going to happen. it's the same reason films are now full of woke trash and diversity instead of storyline.
dont bend to the will of loud mouth nutters (including me tbh), have your own vision and see it through, you guys are pretty good judges of stuff tbh.
This is retarded. Not really equatable to political problems nor film scores.
Vocal minority? They literally had a poll for casting to see if it was a majority or minority decision (it was majority, despite both sides trying to cheat the vote number).
As for suggesting changes, people present arguments and justifications as to why things change, if you disagree present reasons it should stay the same, everyone has an equal opportunity to voice their opinion. If we’re equating it to your Douglas Adams quote, which seems to be about democracy, having a forum where we can debate out different desires is perfect.
Also it’s not a fucking democracy, no one elected these gms, the gms decide what to pick and use a diverse set of reasoning to decide shit. Sometimes it’s popular opinion, sometimes it’s balancing, sometimes it’s based on osi-likeness, sometimes it’s based on laziness, etc. If you care or have concerns with how the server is and what it could change to, voice your opinion, and present an intelligent argument, that’s how you persuade people and ultimately you need to persuade the gms if it should be changed or kept the same.
Also, minority opinion matters, sometimes the majority is shaped by how things are structured, ex: people who have left or potential people who haven’t played here Bc of dislike for certain aspects (scripting). Sometimes minority positions are produced Bc those people who could potentially play/comeback haven’t played or quit, so it’s potentially and illusory majority. Some minority positions consider those people outside of the server’s desires while the majority doesn’t. The ultimate goal of a server is to have players, so leaving those outside potential players out of consideration is flawed when trying to allow a server to grow. So minority positions can matter is the point.
And if you’re gonna say some shit like “we don’t always have time,” Id contend you in particular probably do but also everyone has time to make 1 post arguing for something they care, Bc they’ll complain about the change post-change, so why not complain pre-change.
TL;dr - Just debate what should and shouldn’t happen if you care, otherwise stop being a cuck. Questions of what are good for the server shouldn’t necessarily be driven by majority/minority opinions.
“We can't win against obsession. They care, we don't. They win.”
― Douglas Adams, Life, the Universe and Everything
but it's the same reason films on rotten tomatoes get <10% critic score, and >90% audience score, or vice versa. it's the same reason hillary was 99% chance to win on the 2016 election night, or brexit was never going to happen. it's the same reason films are now full of woke trash and diversity instead of storyline.
dont bend to the will of loud mouth nutters (including me tbh), have your own vision and see it through, you guys are pretty good judges of stuff tbh.
Vocal minority? They literally had a poll for casting to see if it was a majority or minority decision (it was majority, despite both sides trying to cheat the vote number).
might not even need to read rest of this post, because that's my point right there. the people that post on forum polls, are not the majority.
this is the same as politics, you can ask the pollsters, and they will tell you X, but X reflects the people that are voting && are signed up to the polsters (in this case forum), and that's not the real majority - that's the vocal minority.
“We can't win against obsession. They care, we don't. They win.”
― Douglas Adams, Life, the Universe and Everything
but it's the same reason films on rotten tomatoes get <10% critic score, and >90% audience score, or vice versa. it's the same reason hillary was 99% chance to win on the 2016 election night, or brexit was never going to happen. it's the same reason films are now full of woke trash and diversity instead of storyline.
dont bend to the will of loud mouth nutters (including me tbh), have your own vision and see it through, you guys are pretty good judges of stuff tbh.
Also it’s not a fucking democracy, no one elected these gms
wrong, vote with your wallet, your vote is whether you play or not.
Re: What options are available?
Posted: February 9th, 2020, 12:16 pm
by Calvin
Josh wrote: ↑February 8th, 2020, 2:14 amSome minority positions consider those people outside of the server’s desires while the majority doesn’t.
