question about Parasitic+Darkglow
- Silent Shadow
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question about Parasitic+Darkglow
i dont undstnd this moment..
we have, here on Demise, all recipes from ML content.. accept poison...
what is the reason ?
we have, here on Demise, all recipes from ML content.. accept poison...
what is the reason ?
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Re: question about Parasitic+Darkglow
those types of poison are too powerful. if it existed here pvp would be asbolutely DEAD. Those poisons are pretty much un-cureable at this time.
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Re: question about Parasitic+Darkglow
still domt undrstnd...
those poisons are NOT too powerful for OSI-pvp...
those poisons are NOT too powerful for alot of free servers all over the world...
but for Demise - too powerful
whats the point?
whithout Para\Dark poisons Ninjitsu is COMPLETELY dead
alot of PVP builds are useless - ninja-mage\ninja-archer\ alot of stealth builds....
on OSI para-poison is allmost the same like Lethal poison
it is simply cureble by chiva
so whats the point?
those poisons are NOT too powerful for OSI-pvp...
those poisons are NOT too powerful for alot of free servers all over the world...
but for Demise - too powerful
whats the point?
whithout Para\Dark poisons Ninjitsu is COMPLETELY dead
alot of PVP builds are useless - ninja-mage\ninja-archer\ alot of stealth builds....
on OSI para-poison is allmost the same like Lethal poison
it is simply cureble by chiva
so whats the point?
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Re: question about Parasitic+Darkglow
They are not too powerful. But, since there is no timer on cure pots, and the auto cure scripts are rampant, any poison build is almost useless.
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- Silent Shadow
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Re: question about Parasitic+Darkglow
you are wrong
i played several free servers with para-poison and also without pots timer like here on Demise
i tested poisons on osi
and what i can say - poison is VERY usefull
i played several free servers with para-poison and also without pots timer like here on Demise
i tested poisons on osi
and what i can say - poison is VERY usefull
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Re: question about Parasitic+Darkglow
They simply haven't been added yet, but they will be.
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Re: question about Parasitic+Darkglow
Did you pvp when you tested? I doubt it. Its great for PvM but not really in pvp. Greater cure pots have a 25% chance of curing lethal or arch cure. So lets say your melee, you poison, they cure, you poison they cure, they disarm you, if they had not already. The weapons that poison do less dmg but swing fast, so they are really only useful for poisoning. So now your having to swap weapons after, but they just cured it... now they just out heal all your damage as they run in circles around you and again disarm you. Same for archer only you dont get disarmed, they just run around, need moving shot to hit them unless you can dismount/bola and get a couple shots standing before they remount again. Although i promise they are teleporting. And yet again, you have to actually hit them.
Re: question about Parasitic+Darkglow
why not add parasitic poison...
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- Silent Shadow
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Re: question about Parasitic+Darkglow
yes and ALOT beleave meMadmarz wrote:Did you pvp when you tested? .
i would not start the "poison-discussion" if i didnt saw pvp and all pvp-tactics you even could imagine...and even a little bit more
Madmarz wrote: So lets say your melee, you poison, they cure, you poison they cure, they disarm you, if they had not already. The weapons that poison do less dmg but swing fast, so they are really only useful for poisoning. So now your having to swap weapons after, but they just cured it... now they just out heal all your damage as they run in circles around you and again disarm you. Same for archer only you dont get disarmed, they just run around, need moving shot to hit them unless you can dismount/bola and get a couple shots standing before they remount again. Although i promise they are teleporting. And yet again, you have to actually hit them.
noob-teory-craft...cant say nothing else
i see your post and see the man who have NEVER used that stuff in real pvp .. and could not even imagine how it works , what unique builds and tactics it could add to gameplay...(im talkin about fuki-poison in different builds)
...who doesnt imagine what could do ninja-archer or ninja-stealth-archer with that stuff...what is 4fc-ninja-archer.
your teory - its only teory and nothing else
ty you see the pointAj wrote:why not add parasitic poison...
ty!Eos wrote:They simply haven't been added yet, but they will be.
we all - who where recently joined Demise collective - we where VERY surprised of lack of that stuff on such a veteran shard
and we hope to see that in future updates
ty one more time
P.s.: rly sry for my english - its not my native language
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Re: question about Parasitic+Darkglow
Its not noob theory but you have already made up your mind that whatever server you tested on will be the same here and that your view is right. Ive PvP'd a lot, with a lot of builds, stealth mage, nox scribe mage, stealth archer, dexxer etc.... So lemme break it down in the simplest terms i can. PEOPLE CAN AUTO CURE YOUR FUCKING POISON THE SECOND YOU POISON THEM. When i used to pvp in Zen dexxers were a joke. Any poison build even back before uosteam and auto cure was crap. Not saying there was no autocure in Biles time but seemed less apparent. With Dci 45 and even mediocre HCI disarming them was easy. Maybe you should talk to Reefer, zulu, kapero, or any of the other heavy pvpers on this shard and ask if they are being taken down by poison builds.
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yes it is, you didnt saw with your own eyes what it is - even with 25% cure chance - when archer ,for example, is spammin poison-mortal-poison-mortal-poison-mortal....even poison that is curable in 1-2 seconds... when archers and meelee are collecting FC+FCR becouse cure pots cant save them QUICKLY from poison - so poison successfully performs its function - to prevent enemy healing for 1,5second and it does not matter even if poison was cured in 1-1,5 seconds - it ALLREADY DONE its function!Madmarz wrote:Its not noob theory .
with ninjitsu + parasitic poison? dont think so...Madmarz wrote: Ive PvP'd a lot, with a lot of builds, stealth mage, nox scribe mage, stealth archer, dexxer etc
YES it is! 1-2sec and poison will be curedMadmarz wrote:PEOPLE CAN AUTO CURE YOUR FUCKING POISON THE SECOND YOU POISON THEM.
your problem is - you cant still undrstnd ALL profits of ninjitsu-fukiya-parasitic-dexer :
1) fukiya swing is 1,25sec - so its no problem that poison is cured in 1-2seconds
2) fukiya+suriken can poison enemy in range from 1 to 12 tiles
3) fukiya\suriken hit is breakin cast of enemy mage
4) HLD from glasses WORKS with fukiya - so enemy is non-stop under HLD
5) how much weighs cure pot? how much cure pots even human could take? 100?150? its only 20-30 cures of para poison...and fukiya darts weighs allmost nothing...
5) its no need to swith weapons to land either mortal or poison on your enemy , you can land them AT ONES and GUARANTEED prevent your target from healing
thats not ALL profits of Ninjitsu for dexxer
so my conclusion is - your NEVER saw parasitic and ninja-dexers in real PVP
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Re: question about Parasitic+Darkglow
Your right i have never seen parasitic in pvp as ive only played demise and its not implemented. If your firing fukiya/shuriken your not firing your bow. So spamming fukiyas or whatever your not doing any damage. If you use serpent arrow you will do some damage. A half decent tactics mage will destroy you, and a good mage will as well. Your not taking into account what the other player is doing back. Your assuming your gonna stand there and fire shurikens and spam mortal while they sit around. Your also assuming it will take 1/4 chance EVERY time to cure. Most of the time its first try or 3 at most in rare cases in my experience to cure lethal. Meaning they can auto cure over 50 times and i doubt you will land 50 darts or shurikens or serpant arrows without having to run around, and you cant fire while running. How bout you build this poison archer and then ask Zulu or Kapero to duel you and see how it goes. Im not against stealth archers or wanting to build a toon like that, like i said ive played them before. But as ML started rolling out and fixes were being made to staffs and maces and other things, a lot of the builds died.
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Re: question about Parasitic+Darkglow
thats WRONG fukiya and weapons have their own swing delay that NOT stucks!Madmarz wrote: If your firing fukiya/shuriken your not firing your bow.
you can fire fukiya and arrow at same time
so you spammin either damage AND poison at same timeMadmarz wrote:So spamming fukiyas or whatever your not doing any damage
first of all - lethal and parasitic its NOT the sameMadmarz wrote: Your also assuming it will take 1/4 chance EVERY time to cure. Most of the time its first try or 3 at most in rare cases in my experience to cure lethal
second what you can not undrstnd - the most important thing - combination of poison AND mortal AT SAME TIME its important!
even if parasitic here on Demise will have the cure-chance like lethal...
who is talkin about only stealth builds? im talkin about straight-PVP-builds alsoMadmarz wrote: Im not against stealth archers.
beliave me .. 2-3 days after update with para-poison - and ALL uptoday pvp-archer-players will run 120 ninjitsuMadmarz wrote:How bout you build this poison archer and then ask Zulu or Kapero to duel you and see how it goes.
yes, with parasitic update will die 80% of dexxer builds that we see todayMadmarz wrote:a lot of the builds died.
ill say even more - not even dexers will change their builds
your problem is - you are thinkin you can imagine real sutuation in pvp with this stuffMadmarz wrote: Your assuming your gonna stand there and fire shurikens and spam mortal while they sit around
you are wrong
PRACTICE which i saw for several years playin WITH parasitic shows COMPLETELY another picture that you imagined here in your teorycraft
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- Silent Shadow
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Re: question about Parasitic+Darkglow
glad to see that ppl undrstnd constructive arguments ^^,
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